I think, Callum recognizes correctly that using dark magic somehow is creating some vulnerability in him that allows Aaravos kinda more access in a way to controlling him or be inside him in some horrible way. INTERVIEWER: Was Callum using dark magic in a way to darken and make it easy to be controlled by Aaravos next time? Or was it just a convenient way for Callum to get free and safe his friends on Finnegrin’s boat?ĪARON: Yeah I don’t think so. They have a lot more.ĪARON: He’s regretting that he’s held the walls up to protect himself and not given her a chance to make things up to him more easily, and not express to her that he missed her, that he still… INTERVIEWER: Do you see a world where they actually have that ‘sit down and have a conversation’ about “here’s how I felt, Rayla, when you left for two years” and “here’s how I felt when you came back” and “you gave me the cold shoulder” or do you think that was enough closure? They can move forward from now?ĪARON: Um, what do you think, do they have more to talk about?ĪARON: Yeah, I agree. Like they won’t have time to process, and maybe he… So, I dunno, I agree it’s a sad, beautiful, lovely moment. And trying to tell her, you know, that - cause he, he thinks that’s it. And I think to some degree in that moment, Callum recognizes, like, he’s kept these walls up and maybe he’s hoping she’d do the work to get through them, and in this moment he’s regretting that the walls were up, maybe. Part of it is you’re standing up for yourself and all this stuff it gets complicated. Like we have those moments in our relationships all the time and they’re hard not to do. So I’m guessing he wanted to tell Rayla that he loves her, or he forgives her?ĪARON: Some combination, but I think he’s seeing in that moment - you know, you have those moments where you’re hurt by someone and they come back, and they wanna be welcomed back or treated warmly or something, and we all understand this, and instead of… Part of you wants to be warm and normal again, but you’re a little cold, cause you’re waiting for them to do whatever they need to do to process the wrongs that you perceive that they did to you. INTERVIEWER: have their Han Solo - Princess Leia moment where Callum looks over to Rayla and says, “Rayla, I just want to tell you–” she says “I know.” And I’m like whoa! Hold on. Sometimes you find those scenes that are almost but yes the time between Rayla and Amaya, it was just a joy finding the drama and the humour in their conversation. I was wondering if you could kinda talk through that cause that ended up being one of my favourite scenes of the entire series, because it was just so much more mature than I ever expected it to be.ĪARON: Yeah, I mean, it’s something we knew we were gonna have to grapple with from more than one side Amaya’s also this super protective aunt who saw what happened and saw how hurt her nephew was, so it’s just great material and also they’re both such strong characters, so seeing them kind of go at it a little bit, but also each show some vulnerability was just really delightful, and it was a great opportunity. They’re having that conversation and it sounded like Amaya was gonna tear her head off, and then she ends up saying she sees “a lot of me in you” and I think that’s such a mature moment. INTERVIEWER: Yeah, I think we all got a little bit of closure too, with that scene with Amaya and Rayla in the Great Bookery. So I thought people were gonna be like “No kiss, what?!” and it turns out people actually respond to the genuine connection and reconnection that happened between Callum and Rayla this season, and that makes me really happy. I-I’m glad people feel that way, cause we - we were very distinctly decided let’s focus on rebuilding their actual relationship as friends and as trusting people who care about each other and not build the romantic part. Was that something intentional? Did you always kinda knew you were gonna do that in S5?ĪARON: I thought people were gonna hate us. And Aaron, you delivered, sir, because I can tell you - I was putting together a compilation video and they are like five, six, seven genuine Rayllum moments. INTERVIEWER: Another wonderful moment in S5, well actually several moments, something that I and so many of the fans are asking for, which was just having more Rayllum this season. Like I don’t know what would’ve happened if he hadn’t made that decision when he did. He did what he had to do, and he saved her. INTERVIEWER: He used dark magic again, there’s no ifs, ands, or buts about it?ĪARON: Yeah he did.
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